Curse

jaximus · Dec 10, 2008, 07:51 PM // 19:51

hopefully this is where this thread would go, if not, dont be afraid to close it or move it.

ive been playing for quite a while across every profession. i feel comfortable in each classes role within a team and can play at a competitive level. so i got to thinking, how can i make myself even better? then i thought about the little things i do to help me increase my skills but still play in a situation where if the thing im testing wont cost the team.

ive tried the remove a piece of armor or dont wear a vigor and stuff like that, but prot spirit kinda makes that void. trying with no elite or leave out a couple skills and stuff is alright, but then i noticed myself picking up habbits that would hurt me when i had a full bar.

so heres what ive come up with over the playing time to help make you a better player...

monk: use a zealous wep so you have to manage your energy more closely so you learn not to 'spam' or 'over heal' and it makes you more comfortable with wep set swapping.

mez: same deal with zealous wep and tab around a bit, looking for key skills. sometimes ill bring power return so i have a quick recharging interrupt so i can try and int those faster casting skills in hard mode and not waste a p-drain or important int.

ele: again zealous so you manage energy more intently, and cancel your casts randomly. try and keep the situation a bit out of ideal so you learn to play on your feet.

warrior: sometimes take off the shield so feel the damage a bit more, or use burst of aggression to kill your adrenaline randomly. it helps you learn a bit about unloading spikes and ways to efficiently regain that adrenaline.

ranger: sav shot has been one of my favorite skills since i started playing. therefore its always on my bar, as with many rangers. that 10e isnt bad when you have high expertise, so to help me get better at ranger, i sometimes take points out of expertise so i feel that 10e a bit more. this keeps you from spamming on recharge and makes you try for those key skills.

necros: same kind of deal as rangers, take a bit out of soul reaping so you dont have that infinite energy supply. and dont stack anti melee hexes that dont synergize. i see necros cast spiteful spirit -> insidious parasite -> and then faintheartedness....

sins: umm, not really anything neat for here, i guess for pve dont bring teleports cuz they usually just lead to death.

rits: pretty much the same as eles, zealous wep, cancel a spirit or two so you learn to play without its effects and take the energy hit from casting it.

dervs: personally i believe they are OP'd so i dont play mine much, but i guess dont get too dependent on your avatar cuz they are easy to interrupt, dunno really for dervs...

paras: keep in mind that youre party support with a bit of damage too. dont get too keen on the big yellow numbers.

these are my thoughts, please add any tricks you guys have come across or anything youd change in what i said, ty!

Lyynyyrd · Dec 10, 2008, 07:56 PM // 19:56

So basically you feel that gimping yourself is a good idea?

..

Wanna get better at Guild Wars? Get stronger heroes.

Abedeus · Dec 10, 2008, 07:58 PM // 19:58

Gimping yourself doesn't make you a better player in PvE.

Using "awesome" builds seriously (like R/W axe mastery frenzy pwner) does.

Tyla · Dec 10, 2008, 08:01 PM // 20:01

1. Load a RaO Axe.
2. Get into some team then press "Enter Battle".
3a. Headbutt your keyboard over and over until blood starts to pour out, until the game has ended with you standing victorious.
3b. In the case of loss, you rip the keyboard out of the circuit and assault the monitor with it.
4. ????
5. Profit!

jaximus · Dec 10, 2008, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyynyyrd

So basically you feel that gimping yourself is a good idea?

basically yes, you can do this in a situation where you can change this at anytime if you so chose, pve. you learn to play in conditions that are sub optimal, you become comfortable with them, so when in pvp and characters have builds to do very similar things to you, you know what to do since youve done it already. the ways ive mentioned give pve players ways in pve to practice the skills that are highly useful in pvp. this hopefully will help some players bridge that gap so that there isnt a big rift in player skills.

perhaps helpful posts with positive thoughts would be nice here too

X Cytherea X · Dec 10, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

sin: use superior runes on a melee sin so you learn to watch your health

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:?

The Meth · Dec 10, 2008, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Solo the entire game as a W/Mo healing with only mending and using a wand for damage. That makes you pro.

TrippieHippie89 · Dec 10, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaximus

basically yes, you can do this in a situation where you can change this at anytime if you so chose, pve. you learn to play in conditions that are sub optimal, you become comfortable with them, so when in pvp and characters have builds to do very similar things to you, you know what to do since youve done it already. the ways ive mentioned give pve players ways in pve to practice the skills that are highly useful in pvp. this hopefully will help some players bridge that gap so that there isnt a big rift in player skills.

perhaps helpful posts with positive thoughts would be nice here too

pve is pve no matter how you "gimp" yourself.....ive Barrage/Pet'ed my way through a few missions on my mesmer just cause i really wanted to use barrage for some reason and didnt want to make a ranger

also...pve all you like it will in no way prepare you for pvp

Celeborn10 · Dec 10, 2008, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Ignore the gimping yourself mentality. Instead as a monk don't use the part window at all *gasp*. That's right, take the leap of faith and press P and learn the holy ways of Prot instead of the moronic red bars go up mentality. You'll actually have to actively watch the field and intelligently place your heals and prots at the right moment. Try this in PvE and when you can do adequately take it into PvP. Do this and thou shalt become a godly monk.

kostolomac · Dec 10, 2008, 09:22 PM // 21:22

How to get better at GW - stop sucking at GW.

*Darcy* · Dec 10, 2008, 09:29 PM // 21:29

I understand what you are demonstrating and agree that playing with a handicap makes you pay attention instead of doing an auto-buttonpush.

Regretfully, most players don't believe they need improvement; it's always everyone else who should practice more.

Unreal Havoc · Dec 10, 2008, 09:31 PM // 21:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Celeborn10

Ignore the gimping yourself mentality. Instead as a monk don't use the part window at all *gasp*. That's right, take the leap of faith and press P and learn the holy ways of Prot instead of the moronic red bars go up mentality. You'll actually have to actively watch the field and intelligently place your heals and prots at the right moment. Try this in PvE and when you can do adequately take it into PvP. Do this and thou shalt become a godly monk.

I read about this elsewhere and tried it in Urgoz Warren for lolz.

Breakfast Mc Rit · Dec 10, 2008, 09:32 PM // 21:32

Watching your energy more closely doesn't make you a better player. You can go through PvE with the worst of skills and it still wont make you a better player.

However, you will eventually learn to stop failing like the rest of the PUGers out there.

RazmO- · Dec 10, 2008, 09:40 PM // 21:40

You actually do things to make yourself "miserable" in game...boy you are pretty messed up.
And you are trying to make us.. and you a better players but doing things that would harm us in game..
Seriously just play with what you got, dont remove it to make it...harder ? lol why not to spam skills and get energy back with soul reaping if the games give it to you.. ? why should we use zealous weapon so we wont spam skills when.. we can ?

jaximus · Dec 10, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcy

I understand what you are demonstrating and agree that playing with a handicap makes you pay attention instead of doing an auto-buttonpush.

Regretfully, most players don't believe they need improvement; it's always everyone else who should practice more.

you are one of the few people that understand what i was trying to accomplish with this thread, thank you.

the attitude of the gw community is a problem. this thread was meant to help players learn things that can make them better at the game. instead though, there are negative comments detracting from the goal, and then these same individuals will complain about how everyone is bad at the game. clearly theres an attitude where people dont want people to get better, its quite sad.

to celeborn10, ive heard that before, thanks for the insightful and helpful post.

i guess the common sense logic failed in my original post. the zealous weapon example is a mean of reducing the energy regen of a caster. this makes one think smarter about using skills and reduces the 'spam,spam,spam' thinking. obviously you wouldnt use this in a highly competitive environment where you need every bit of benefit you can, but when you are doing quests/missions/random tinkering, try it out.

this whole argument about 'gimping' or 'miserable' is foolish. if youre happy with being mediocre, dont read the thread, dont post garbage things.

if you cant operate with a few handicaps and it makes you that miserable, youve prolly reached your gaming potential. people get stuck in their ways and cant fathom a change, oh noes!

Martin Firestorm · Dec 10, 2008, 10:12 PM // 22:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaximus

the attitude of the gw community is a problem. this thread was meant to help players learn things that can make them better at the game. instead though, there are negative comments detracting from the goal

No kidding, you didn't know that? You have fun doing what you want in game, but if you've hung out at guru at all you should've had a pretty good idea where this thread was going.

Trylo · Dec 10, 2008, 10:15 PM // 22:15

zealous weapon on a monk helps because you see how to manage energy with holy veil on. However, this is really useless because in HA youll just be channel tanking anyways, and i cant really say for GvG because i havent done that in a while.

playing prot without your party window can be interesting. i like watching observer mode and turning off the UI and watching the prot monk cast spells, thats helped me a bit.

Antares Ascending · Dec 10, 2008, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darcy

I understand what you are demonstrating and agree that playing with a handicap makes you pay attention instead of doing an auto-buttonpush.

Regretfully, most players don't believe they need improvement; it's always everyone else who should practice more.

Well Said !!

the savage nornbear · Dec 10, 2008, 10:26 PM // 22:26

the monk option is the only good one

turbo234 · Dec 10, 2008, 10:47 PM // 22:47

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Originally Posted by the savage nornbear

the monk option is the only good one

agreed. for the zealous ideas mesmer has inspiration and eles have the attunements and glyph of lesser. they would never feel the loss of one little pip. and im too lazy to go on about the others so blah blah /rant /yougettheidea.